Will Bobby Axelrod Come Back to Billions? A Tease Here, A Hint There… *Updated with NEW Tease*

Advanced Warning: Don’t get so excited because we don’t have any hard evidence that Bobby Axelrod will return to Billions for Season 7.

Damian was the guest on The Anfield Wrap podcast last week to talk about football and his beloved LFC as well about career and life. And a short exchange between him and the podcast host Andy Heaton about Billions at 10:35 into the podcast teased that Damian may return to the show. You can hear, and I recommend all fans, regardless you like football (soccer) or not, hear this fantastic chat in its entirety following the instructions in the tweet below.


And, for  your convenience, I am summarizing/transcribing their Billions conversation below.

Heaton mentions Band of Brothers and Homeland as two shows that Damian has been very successful with. But to be honest, he says, his personal favorite is Billions. He seems to be up to date with the show, thinks that it is “so well put together” but now that Damian has left the show it is not as great as it used to be.

Damian’s response comes fast.

“You know, I mean, there’s one more season, that’s all I’m saying.”

Me listening to the podcast: “Huh???”

Andy Heaton: “Hey, listen. I’m not saying nothing.”

Damian REPEATS what he has just said: “There’s one more season. That’s all I’m saying.”

Me FREAKING OUT: “Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat???”

Now – if this is not a tease, what is?

Update (07/04/2022): This is getting  serious, folks. Damian, who only occasionally tweets, has not only  tweeted about his experience at the  British Grand Prix but also teased yet again about Axe being in business!

So, again, if this is not a tease, what is?

We still can’t say there is evidence that Damian Lewis is coming back to Billions but don’t you think Damian has just hinted twice that he may actually be back for Season 7? And, based on personal experience (see my interview with Damian after Brody died in Homeland Season 3 here) I know that Damian does not tease for no reason!

Now, while I am one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Damian Lewis fans, I have not been a “No Axe, No Billions” viewer. I still watch and enjoy the show – especially compare and contrast the the billionaire who left and the one who took his seat and renamed his company! And having watched Season 6 in its entirety – even before hearing Damian say “there’s one more  season” –  I have blogged that Axe is not there in the show in person, but he is absolutely there in spirit. In fact, Axe is a ghost in Billions Season 6.

I am certainly an amateur when it comes to show business. But I am a good TV show viewer. And when a major character leaves a show at the end of a season, the writers’ room typically have the character talked about for a few episodes in the new season because some other characters’ lives in the show have now changed thanks to that character leaving. But then they move on to developing other characters’ stories (especially if there  is a new character filling the shoes of that who left) and organically let the audience forget about the character who left the show and let the viewers roll with it.

Billions writers’ room did the opposite and I certainly understand why they did what they did to an extent.

Bobby Axelrod was the heart and soul of Billions along wit Chuck Rhoades. And as Billions has been modeled as a modern cowboy and sheriff story, and because the viewers often take the cowboy over the sheriff, Axe was probably the more popular lead character. And when he was forced to sell his company to his rival Mike Prince, we all knew there would be an an inevitable transition where different characters would talk about Axe and his times for at least a few episodes in the new season.

So it was not surprising to me that as Prince warmed up to his CEO seat, he constantly reminded other characters in the show – varying  from the State AG Chuck Rhoades to a former Axe Cap employee – that he was different from the previous guy, and moreover, he is a better leader with a superior vision. And it was only natural also for Axe’s former employees to talk about him and his times especially as they got used to their new boss and the new culture at the workplace.

That said – it was surprising that the conversation about Axe did not stop after a while. And the writers’ room not shying away from having characters mention Axe regularly until the very end of Season 6 made me think  they did not intend for us to forget the character and they may even want us to compare and contrast him with Prince. And, to be frank, Bobby Axelrod having a strong presence in spirit in the show, has given me hope that he may show up again at some point in Billions – maybe not as a regular character but at least as a recurring one. And now that Damian has just said on The Anfield Wrap podcast that there would be one more season, I seriously take the Bobby Axelrod mentions in Season 6 as a sign that Damian may return to the show: maybe for  the entire season, maybe for an episode or two, or maybe, like in my fantasy series finale, in the last scene of the series to claim his Axe Capital CEO seat back and life goes back to normal 🙂

So call it wishful thinking and it may well be so… But all that I have talked about above… and given that neither the show creators (“The goodbyes on Billions and the hellos on Billions are never permanent; nothing is etched in stone. But that said, Damian’s time as a regular on Billions has come to an end.”) nor Damian  (“There’s an opportunity maybe for me to return. But for now, broadly speaking, Axe has been vanquished”) closed the door to the possibility, I will be patiently waiting for Axe’s happy return in Season 7.

Pretty please! <3

In the appendix below, I list all Bobby Axelrod mentions and referrals in Billions Season 6 and, yeah, they talk about him even in Season 6 Finale. In fact, there is actually a lot of Axe talk in the Season 6 Finale. And, hey, a fan girl can dream, can’t she? 🙂

Episode 1: Cannonade

It is only natural that the new boss spends the entire first episode trying to convince his employees that he is not only different from Axe but also his approach is more productive. He wants his new team to trust him as a leader. However, the former Axe Capital employees are skeptical of the new boss and his ways… especially after they realize that Prince has been following their data from the health-monitoring rings he gave everyone in the office as a gift! I mean… Can you blame them?

So Prince starts his rounds with Taylor.

Prince: Just tell me what you need to succeed here.

Taylor: A boss that I can trust and work with.

Prince: I’m not Axe.

Taylor: You’re sitting in the same office. You own what was once his.

Prince: For different reasons. I need faster returns and greater liquidity than private equity provides. To that end, I want to make you CIO. How’s that for trust?

Taylor: Yeah, that means you trust me and want to use me to win over the investor’s trust. But I won’t take that position. Last time I was CIO all my moves were wiped off the board.

Prince: Like I said, I’m different. And I’m willing to put the time and effort in to prove that to you… to everyone here.

Taylor: You bought me up. You’re kind of forcing me to stay here. Doesn’t feel different.

Former Axe Capital employees discuss the way Axe expected them to do business with the new boss and then compare Axe’s ways with those of Prince.

Bonnie: What was encouraged was more of a “Stick your emotions where your conscience is, and then tie ’em off like a gangrenous leg until they wither and die. Then chop ’em off forever.”

Prince: What effect do you think that had?

Victor: Greased the way to profit. Take the friction out. For guys like me and Bonnie.

Ben Kim: And led to some pretty close calls with the SEC, the U.S. Attorney’s Office, the…

Bonnie: Never convicted!

Ben Kim: We were… I mean, Axe was, sort of, in absentia.

Prince: We’re going on a different kind of exploration here. Because I believe it’ll lead you to be better, not worse, at your jobs.

Bonnie: We used to work for a killer, now we’ve got a guy who wants to know how we “feel.”

Tuk: Why is he asking for our guidance? Why doesn’t he know what to do?

Victor: Point me at a hill, tell me to take the hill. That’s what I want in a general.

Axe: The Boss, The Killer, The General leading his employees (Billions Season 5, Episode 7: The Limitless Shit)

Ben Kim: I must admit, Axe’s ruthlessness was almost… reassuring.

Prince’s only hope is to learn from the woman with the special sauce and the magic touch for her blessing 🙂

Yet, she is also reluctant.

Wendy: What do you want with me?

Prince: I wanted to see if you were that good. You are.

Wendy: That’s very much up for debate right now. Not with me. I look at my results, and I don’t see a lot of checkmarks in the win column. My guy lost this whole place.

The moment they knew it was over… (Billions Season 5, Episode 11: Victory Smoke)

Prince: Guy hits 700 home runs, but gets caught bringing a corked bat to plate, you can’t blame yourself without also taking credit for the 700 dingers.

Wendy: The one matters more than the other.

Prince: On that, we agree. You’ll find no pine tar, no cork, no dented garbage cans, no signs stolen here.

Wendy: Okay, Mr. October.

Prince: But I’m not settling either, for my current level of performance. And here’s one you probably didn’t guess. I’ve never been coached. Not since I was an athlete, I mean. No therapy, no executive coaching, no shrink, no life guru. But with you…

Wendy: Nah, there is no “with me.” If I can somehow still do what I used to, I can’t do it with someone unless I have, or can manufacture, objectivity.

Prince: You weren’t objective with Axe.

Wendy: Yeah, not so hype about his name coming out of your mouth. There’s no need for that. And how I felt about him has nothing to do with how I feel about you. I… well, I didn’t resent or hate him.

Prince: Hate? Ouch. Hate feels extreme.

And when Prince needs a full compliance report for the SECs, the exchange with Spyros is a true tribute to Axe Capital 🙂

Prince: You know we need a little red meat to throw the SEC, something so they know we’re committed to being a clean operation.

Spyros: Then this is your meat locker.

Prince: All that… is dirty?

Prince even tries to convince the State AG that he is different from Axe but Chuck is not impressed. For him, having billions is criminal in the first place! 🙂

Chuck: I imagine you feel there’s unfinished business with me.

Prince: But I’m unlike the man who came before me. I will never give you a legal opening because I do not break the law.

Chuck: Billionaires break the laws of decency, even while obeying the letter. By definition, having that much is criminal.

Prince: A point much open to debate. But I can be your ally. I know I owe you a debt. I’m aware of that. But you should be aware that I am good, very good, at settling scores.

Chuck: And what have you come to ask, in order to deepen that debt?

Prince: Melville Revere.

Chuck: Oof. Disagreeable sort. Entitled in a way I’ve long tolerated, but no longer can.

Prince: All the same, I’d appreciate it if you left him alone, spared him further harassment. He’s a Michael Prince Capital investor, and as such, I’d hate to see him in court on the other end of one of your actions. Wouldn’t look good for you or me.

Chuck: Why not good for me, Michael?

Prince: I mean, you’d be coming after a place that manages your father’s money. Good chunk of it, anyway. He left it in after Axelrod took off. But, sure, worse for me. Because when it comes to Michael Prince Capital, I need it to be… I need to be reputationally pristine.

And as Prince finally gets help from Wendy to gain his employees’ trust and respect, their conversation is all about Axe and Axe Capital without naming names 🙂

Prince: How do I keep ’em rolling with me when I can’t even spin to the group of people showing up here each day?

Wendy: What if you tack with the prevailing winds? And don’t try to stay big or get bigger. At first. Shrink capital under management?

Prince: Is that what you’re…

Wendy: You have a move that bold in your arsenal?

Prince: I don’t know. It’s not the house number in this racket.

Wendy: Sure isn’t. But what if we weren’t attached to the way it’s always been done? Or to the results. Or to the feeling we get from having the most. What if we detach from all that? And instead think about… the process, the holistic form of the place.

Prince: What would be the final goal of something like that?

Wendy: When things reach their ideal Platonic form, they tend to function well. And the endpoint reveals itself. If you don’t like the legacy, change out everything from that legacy.

The last stop for Prince is Wags. Prince wants to fire him but is not able to do so because Axe set a booby trap with his right-hand man’s deal: Prince needs to pay Wags $80M if he fires him – well, this is how Axe rewards loyalty! 🙂

Wags: Okay. We haven’t done the dance yet. I guess this is us about to do it. I’m your object lesson to them, huh? Shitcan my ass, they get scared and get ‘er done for you.

Prince: This was never gonna work. But I’m not going to pay you in full. Axe may have set a booby trap with your deal…

Wags: Oh, he did. He rigged a real Bouncing Betty. $80 million dollars after the sale upon my firing. So if you are here with a pink slip, I accept.

Prince: But nothing if you quit or get fired for cause.

Wags: Which is why I’m clocking in and out like I’m on the factory floor at GM. And I would even pass a piss test right now.


It is at the end of the first episode that Mike Prince, who listens to Wendy, decides to walk the walk, rather than talk the talk, about how MPC will operate differently than Axe Cap. What he highlights in his long monologue is about how keen he is on changing the culture Axe created and sustained at the workplace. And, guess what, even Bonnie and Victor find it “ballsy” and “badass” – adjectives they would typically use to describe their former boss!

Prince (to his investors): One of the things I brought to our organization is a moral barometer. I understand that these employees give many of you comfort. They’ve managed your money well. They’ve grown it. They’ve protected you against downside exposure. But things must develop and evolve and change, and I can no longer allow this place to be peopled with compromised individuals. Do I fire them all? Start clean? Even as I have made a promise to lift them up and train them in my way of doing things? Or is there another way to rebuild, retool? Another attachment to cast off?

And if I fired all of you, but kept the incentive structure the same, the next batch of analysts and portfolio managers would end up in the exact same place. It’s the root cause that has to shift.

Investor: Uh, in what way, Prince?

Prince: Let’s look at the prevailing winds.

This is the moment Wendy sees that Prince may, in fact, be different.

The prevailing feeling in the country about wealth. I think it’s largely right. Too much is concentrated in the hands of too few. But let’s not blame those who manage that wealth for them. Let’s instead look to those who profit the most. As one of them, I understand the temptation more than almost anyone can. And it’s true. Many of the wealthiest have misused their resources. Many have cut corners. We will not. In fact, we won’t take their money. I’m not firing them, my employees. I’m firing you, my investors. Which is why I’ve called you all in. We have checks drawn and wire confirmations on hand for your redemptions. Thank you for your business, and should you reach our new standards for ethics in business, perhaps we’ll meet again.

As Prince makes a commitment that he will tnot work with anyone who does dirty business, the Prince List is born.

Episode 2: Lyin’ Eyes

Prince tells the MPC crowd to “short the snot out of” Rask, a well-known sportswear company that abuses the Uigur labor force to manufacture their products. He is seemingly looking for a  “statement win.” By exposing Rask’s dirty business practices, they will convince the street that MPC is different from Axe Capital.

However, Prince’s new team is, as we have got to know them over the years, not used to doing business for a cause. When they push back, the new boss is confused and needs Wendy’s help.

Prince: Why were they pushing back?

Wendy: They’re concerned they’re being sent to charge a machine gun nest for moral reasons. And they don’t trust a leader asking them to do that. For profit, for greed, they’ll charge like it’s the beach at Normandy. But not for a cause.

Prince: Kobe was skeptical of the triangle at first.

Wendy: Show ’em they can win under you like Phil did, you’ll have ’em for life, but to do that, this…

Prince: Yeah. Has to work. Got it.

Axe’s management style comes into the picture again when Rian comes to Taylor with a proposal.

Rian: All sorts of egregious shit I’d spell out, except I hate spelling things out loud. Almost as much as I hate being right and not being able to prove it. That’s what the money is, proof. Let’s mukbang the whole sector.

Taylor: No. Hold off for now. This initiative would have worked under Axe, but Prince has different priorities. He seems to be after more than profits here.

Rian: So what, are you saying, “He’s a kind man, a wise man, he has plans, he has wisdom?” ‘Cause vom city at that.

Taylor: I don’t know yet, but I know he’s not Axe. We’re operating differently now. Mase Carb’s not going to be the siloed resistance anymore.

Rian: So we’re gonna trust this guy?

Taylor: We’re throwing in. For now. Until we have more information.

Why Rask? Taylor can see that Prince has some ulterior motives here but cannot put their finger on it. As they discuss it with Wendy, they remember Axe together!

Taylor: Rian ran the numbers. There are more profitable ways to make the same point in the same sector.

Wendy: You think Prince’s lack of experience in the public markets is showing?

Taylor: No, it’s not that. He has the brainpower and the right instincts for this place.

Wendy: Then why don’t you just talk to him, voice your reservations, show him your data?

Taylor: I’m considering that this might all be a test. Does he want us to confront him, or does he want us to show that we trust him?

Wendy: A test? That sounds like an Axe move, not something Prince would do. I say there’s no test.

Axe is also the topic of conversation when Taylor tells Wendy they decided to fire Rian because she disobeyed Taylor’s orders.

Well, Taylor learnt from Axe, didn’t they? 😀

Wendy: Firing Rian may be the best move for you as a boss, but it’s not the best move for you as a person, holistically.

Taylor: Since when do we do holistically in this place?

Wendy: New place, new thing. And it applies, since the whole reason you want to fire her is she hurt your feelings.

Taylor: If a colonel gives an order…

Wendy: This is not The Big Red One. This is about you wanting blind trust from your acolyte.

Taylor: It’s about culture fit. We’ve undergone a sea change here, and Rian’s still playing by the old rules. She’s proven herself unable or unwilling to adapt.

Wendy: And have you adjusted, Taylor? Really? Because firing Rian sounds like exactly what Axe would do if he were in your shoes.

Episode 3: STD

Ben Kim shares with Wendy he regrets that he told Prince about Mafee and Dollar Bill partnering up with someone who also wants to bring the Olympics to New York. Wendy is straight with him: If Ben makes the mistake of warning Mafee and Dollar Bill about what is coming he would lose his job and not be able to find any job in the sector ever again.


Wendy: Tell me, Ben Kim, do you wish you’d left with them and stayed loyal to Axe?

Ben Kim: Do you?

Wendy: No. But I, too, admire what Mafee and DB did. Know that.

Ben Kim: Then do something.

The person who also has an Olympic bid under his sleeve turns out to be Todd Krakow and he likens Prince to Axe because Prince is trying to stop him.

Prince: I hope you’ve had some time to consider my original offer, though I’d say you’ve waived the chance to negotiate.

Krakow:I somehow thought you were different. But your approach reminds me a lot of the man whose office you took.

Prince: It’s possible you bring out a similar reaction in wildly disparate individuals.

Finally, Wendy delivering for Dollar Bill and Mafee (“Mortimer, we’re back!) is a tribute to Axe because Mafee and DB left MPC out of loyalty for her guy!

Episode 4: Burn Rate

When Wendy protests against luring Kate Sacker to come work for MPC, Prince looks for a way to convince her to do that.  He needs to highlight once again that he is not Axe, and MPC is not Axe Capital.

Prince: There must be something that would induce you to do it for me, to make it worth it.

Wendy: I’m not that transactional. And it’s not just because of Chuck. Sacker’s special in all the ways I just mentioned, but in intangible ways too. The thought of bringing her in here? Even if I dealt with the Chuck-of-it-all…

Prince: In here is not the place it used to be. We’re different.

Wendy: I want to believe that that’s true.

Prince: Consider it.

When Wendy agrees to do it, this is the question she gets from Kate when they “run into” each other after Kimberle Crenshaw‘s talk on Intersectionality in  the city.

Kate: How goes Axe Cap?

Wendy: It’s not Axe Cap anymore.

Kate: I mean, okay, but…

Wendy: Different name on the shingle. Different vibe.

Kate: So you say.

Wendy: No, no. It’s, uh, different. This guy gives a shit about more than money.

And the first thing Kate mentions as she sips her “Elida Geisha” coffee in the MPC offices is nothing but the good old days 🙂

Kate: Nice to be here without a warrant. Love what you’ve done with the place.

Prince: No basis for warrants in these parts anymore.

Episode 5: Rock of Eye

As Chuck and Wendy exchange words about Kate leaving the State AG office for MPC Capital, Wendy makes a case for Mike Prince.

Wendy: I don’t owe you an apology, if that’s what you’re…

Chuck: Oh, no, I hold Prince responsible for that, not you. You just lured her to his temple of greed.

Wendy: It’s not Axe Capital, Chuck.

Chuck: It’s worse. Because it pretends to be better. She’s very special. And special to me. Don’t ruin her, Wendy.

And as the grace period at MPC is coming to an end, Prince motivates his potentially all-star team referring to basketball and Axe one more time.

“I know this can be an all-star team, but you can play way above the rim. But you’ll never get there with blisters on your feet. That’s why I keep hammering you on the fundamentals. Position sizing, focus, restraint.

And, for all your moves, for all your talent, it looks like Axe never taught you how to put on your socks and your shoes.”

Episode 6: Hostis Humani Generis

Remember Leah Calder – the comptroller at NYC Department of Financial Regulation who turned Axe’s charter down when Chuck delivered her a huge favor in Season 5?

And remember the favor? Calder’s son’s ex-fiancee did not return the engagement ring that had a family history. Chuck asked Jackie Connerty of all people to bring him that ring! And he did! 🙂

Ms. Calder welcomes Chuck to her office with a big smile and these words:

“Ah the man who keeps his promises and even dispatched Axelrod.”

Episode 9: Hindenburg

This episode demonstrates Taylor values what they learnt from their original mentor and they are the true Axe protege.

When Prince asks them about changing direction with Hyperstock, Taylor’s words refer to their original mentor!

“I was taught a good investor can change their mind in an instant, but a great one needs to be able to do a full 180.”

In one of the most awkwardly funny scenes this season, Taylor realizes that Ben and Tuk had lunch with Mafee when they see the duo on the elevator sucking on Blue Bottle (“it’s the shit Mafee drinks”). And when they share with Philip that Ben and Tuk may be leaving MPC for High Plains, their conversation turns to their own personal experiences:

Philip: Look, it can be difficult leaving something you love, even when you know you should.

Taylor: That sounds personal.

Philip: It is. I had a chance to study under Daphne Koller. MacArthur Fellow? Yeah, among other awards. Her work in the AI Lab at Stanford is mind-bending, which is why I stayed in engineering a year longer than I should have.

Taylor: I had a similar internal conflict with Bobby Axelrod. He built me up and broke me down. I tried to make an exit and ended up right back where I started.

Philip: And now that he’s gone, do you think you’ve stayed longer than you should have?

Taylor: I did at first, but I’ve come to realize I’m right where I need to be to get where I need to get, which is ten figures in personal assets.

The way Taylor refers to Ben and Tuk’s value for the company and that it would look bad on Philip if they left is truly the reason why Axe kept them even though they are extremely beta 😀

“They are fucking smart, good at their jobs, and not assholes.”

Finally, we see that Taylor is the one and only Axe protege when we see their performance in the meeting with Dollar Bill and Mafee who have tried to steal Ben and Tuk from MPC. Taylor’s monologue is not very different than that of Axe when he gave Carly, Channing and Hlasa, who fled Axe Capital to establish their own fund, a good fucking in Season 1 Episode 10 Quality of Life.

By the end of the meeting, Dollar Bill and Mafee find out about what they would face if they tried to steal from Taylor again while Ben and Tuk find out the consequences they would face should they leave the company.

Taylor: We’ve been friends, and I’ve gone to bat for you and bailed you out in the past, but this is the present. I know where your money’s at, I know what you want, and I know what you’re going after. I know where you’re weak. This includes specifics, as you can see on the last page, as well as the names of your investors. Those are the names I will target if you continue sniffing around our personnel, and especially if they decide to go over to you.

Ben: Look, um, no decisions have been made yet.

Taylor: That’s good, because if that should come to pass, I will raid, bleed and feed on High Plains’ business. I will sacrifice my own returns to hurt yours, to kill yours.

Dollar Bill: Hey, that kind of interference is illegal.

Mafee: Yeah, totally illegal.

Taylor: Say “illegal.” Go ahead and say “illegal” again, I dare you. I double dare you, m*therf*cker. Go on and say “illegal” one more goddamn time, because you know who I trained under. You saw me train under him. You saw him teach me, and you saw me learn. Now ask yourself if I give a shit about illegal, and whether I’ll be utterly successful blowing up your firm and sending you back to a trading desk as fucking order clerks. And Mafee, before you say this violates our friendship, just know this: Friends don’t steal from friends.

Mafee: Be my friend?

Taylor (to Ben and Tuk): I get it. You reach an inflection point in your career where either you yearn for something different, or, in this case, you start to wonder. You fantasize about turning back the clock. Dollar Bill and Mafee want to recreate the old Axe Cap at High Plains, and maybe you want to be a part of that. To the time of company trips to Miami, the suites at Yankee Stadium, the poker tournaments, everyone pitching in to crush a sector. But ask yourself, how can they really do that without Bobby Axelrod? Or Bonnie. Or Wags. Or Victor. Or me. Our collective memory is Axe Capital. The rest is colored bubbles. It’s your call.

Oh, and Philip’s words at the end of the meeting are spot on. Taylor is nostalgic. They are missing the good old days exactly like I do 🙂 And they may even be remembering the exchange Axe and they had in Season 5 Season Finale No Direction Home.

And Taylor may not be the only one missing the good old days. I mean… After what Prince just did to Chuck, don’t you think the former NY State Attorney General should be missing Axe? Because whatever Axe might have done to beat Chuck in his own game, he never tried to remove his foe from public office. Prince plotting behind the scenes with Indiana A&M president to manipulate and distract Chuck and literally buying 2/3 of the NY State Senate to have Chuck removed from his State AG seat hints that Prince can be as ruthless, if not more, as Axe when he is keen on destroying an enemy.

“Close your eyes Chuck. It’s over and done.”


Episode 10: Johnny Favourite

At their weekly dinner, Taylor asks Mafee about how he did with the $1M in  strict crypto he got from Axe in Season 3 Episode 7 Not You, Mr. Dake in return for taking one for Wendy, ahem, the company! 🙂 That was some dirty business, wasn’t it?

Taylor: What about your million in crypto from Axe? You must have arbed it ten, fifteen X. Where’s it at?

Mafee: Don’t know.

Taylor: Don’t know how much?

Mafee: I don’t think about it.

Taylor: What the fuck does that mean? You didn’t think about how much you could have made with a million bucks of free electric lightning on a drive?

Mafee: I didn’t.

Taylor: Mafee, you could have turned that 15 times, 20.

Mafee: Okay.

Okay? It is very much not okay.

Mafee: It is with me, and it’s my money. So I left it alone.

Well, a stick can make Wags dance like a Cossack but not Mafee. I think  even the “strictly platonic” kiss Wendy plants on her “hero” may not make Mafee believe that he is the rock great companies are built upon 🙂

And later in the episode, just like that, Hall is back with a NEW, clean shaven image and on Kate Sacker’s side. While she meets him for the first time, Kate immediately knows exactly who he is! 😀

Kate: So, you’re the one, aren’t you… that helped Axelrod beat us every single time?

Hall: All that matters is, I’m on your side now. I’m on your side now.

Oh and the first performance coach session ever between Prince and Wendy is a true reminder of the first performance coach session we saw between Axe and Wendy (they have not been doing that since Chuck took public office for obvious reasons!) in Season 1 Episode 11: Magical Thinking.

The two sessions are similar in the sense that they start in Wendy’s office, the guy in the session makes an attempt to sit on the couch but then is told by Wendy to come and sit across from her. In both cases, the session starts in Wendy’s office and continues outside.

And while Wendy tries to convince Axe that he is not a psychopath in  their session, she tries to convince Prince that he is not who he pretends to be. SPOT ON! And, believe me, Wendy, I have been saying this from day one  that Prince may be claiming he is the adorable cookie monster but he is in fact as big a monster as Axe is. The difference is that Axe admits who he is while Prince wants to make others believe that he is different.

Wendy: You’re a fucking liar.

Prince: What’s that?

Wendy: You’re a fucking liar. Worse, the person you tell the biggest lies to is yourself. You spend so much time twisting yourself up into knots trying to make yourself believe that your aim is true and noble and good. You almost make yourself believe it. You wanted a burning bush to tell you that what you did to get this hedge fund was good and right. All you have is your own conscience burning.

Prince: Please. The guy who was here before me

Wendy: No.

Prince: Yes. We’re gonna talk about this. He wasn’t similarly called? You don’t think the voice of power whispered to him and said, “Do it all, have it all”?

Wendy: You want to know? Axe wanted freedom, total and complete. And the other guy, Chuck, he wants– he needs a righteous war, and you gave them both exactly what they asked for.

Prince: No, I didn’t give Axe his freedom. I paid for it. And you want to know why Axe is satisfied with freedom? Why Chuck is priapic for warfare? Why conquest and victory is enough for them? Because they are lesser Caesars.

Wendy: You want to be a greater Caesar? What are you going to do with all that power?

Prince: Pax Romana. I’m going to manifest it. And you’re going to help me.

Now that Prince has spilled the beans,  I believe he has an even bigger God complex than Axe. Oh, yes, anyone who calls Axe and Chuck “lesser Ceasars” has a humongous ego. And we see that Prince’s ego has no limits as he and Wendy continue the conversation.

Prince: I do not lie.

Wendy: You do. And some of those lies you’ll probably keep telling. The lies of kindness, lies to maintain power, The lies of kindness, lies to maintain power, lies to keep things calm. Big lies, even. And maybe that’s fine. But inside, you can’t.

Prince: And why not?

Wendy: Because it’s getting in your way. You don’t want to be an emperor because it’s good for other people. You want power because you like power. Because it feels good in your hands. Because you can’t imagine anyone else deserves it more than you do. But if you lie to yourself about it, you’ll do real harm with whatever power you get.

Prince: Every generation there’s maybe three people like me. Why should I waste being one of them?

Wendy: Because out of those three, every 30 years, Because out of those three, every 30 years, nine every century, 90 every millennium, nine every century, 90 every millennium, maybe one fucking guy doesn’t fuck the world up the ass when he actually gets the reins.

Prince: Someone has to sit in that seat. So I ask myself, am I the one in a thousand years? And my answer And my answer is a full-throated yes.

I would say Prince’s ego makes Axe look like a normal person 🙂 Congratulations, Mike, I think you just made it into Wendy’s book manuscript! 🙂

I also need to add that Axe has always been professional enough not to hang out at a dance party with his employees or get into bed with them. Prince comes across as a needy boss and I agree with Chuck that he loves blood sports, too!

And, finally, the scar Ira talks about over the dinner table at the retreat they have taken Chuck, too, is a direct tribute to not only Bobby Axelrod but also the best TV hour I have ever seen in my life: Season 2 Episode 11 Golden Frog Time

“Ricochet from a Waterford crystal tumbler I threw against the wall when I made and lost over 200 million in one day. Ice Juice.”

Well, it may be a memory in the past now but then Ira was at the brink of a nervous breakdown. Cannot stop giggling as I remember his “recession special” scene with Axe at Gray Papaya in Season 3 Episode 3: A Generation Too Late 😀 😀 😀

And while I really miss my occasional catch-ups with Damian on Billions set, I also know that nobody can take away from me the fact that I was there on set when they filmed the scene at Gray’s Papaya, I stood a few feet away from my favorite actor doing his thing and that he winked at me before he got into Gray’s Papaya to order “two recession specials and a couple of cokes.” 😀 😀 😀

Episode 11: Succession

Prince once again refers to Axe’s time as CEO as he explains how different he is from Axe.

Prince: “In the old regime, you’d receive your trading orders from inside a pine box before you saw a change of leadership. There’s a reason why they had to stab Caligula 30 times to haul him out of the palace. Axe Cap was run by diktat. MPC is run by deliberation. Axe Cap was built on shock and surprise. MPC is built on planning and anticipation. Investors shouldn’t have to guess what happens if my G650 goes down, or I slide off a steep rock face.”

And when Prince asks Wendy whether she should publish her book, she reminds him of the way she is used to doing business at Axe Capital.

Prince: “I’m not gonna put up road blocks. I’m not gonna punish you when and if you do publish. The question isn’t whether you can. The question is whether you should.”

Wendy: “Not a lot of “should” conversations in this office before you got here.

Episode 12 (Season Finale): Cold Storage

Chuck, as he tries to stop Prince from running for the Presidency of the United States, tasks Karl to find out about a big purchase or a big initiative Prince has recently been involved in.

And, guess, what, there is a lot of Axe talk there!

Karl reports back: “It’s business as usual at Michael Prince Capital. I got up into the carcass, but Prince’s last big transaction was a 2.5 billion payment to Axe. He kept the investment arm. It’s up on the year. He spun off the bank, but kept the armored car company. There are lots of other business details, but–”

And, just like that, Chuck is all over why Mike Prince has kept the armored car company. And thanks to an old case that Kate did not prosecute during her time with Chuck, Chuck can have Kate in his new office (that he inherited from Chuck senior – complete with a fax machine :)) when he feels like it and tasks her with finding out the answer to his questions:

Guy offloads anything with the stench of Bobby Axelrod on it, including the banks, but keeps the Axe Bank armored cars that shuttle things to the bank? And the drivers just standing by, hanging out, waiting for what, exactly? Is he heavily into bullion transport?

And while Kate gives in and delivers the armored company car manifest for him, Chuck also visits the place where the Axe Bank armored cars are stored and talks to the armored car driver on duty.

And I love the intimate conversation between Wags and Wendy where they  honestly talk about how it was with Axe with how it is with Prince.

“Wags: With Axe, I know you shouldn’t compare, but I didn’t have to pretend I was making glittery cupcakes while shivving a mοthеrfuckеr who needed shivving. It was honest, in its way. This is something else.

Wendy: “Maybe Prince’s way is more powerful… with its veneer of goodness. It inspires.”

Wags: “Are you inspired?”

Well, we do not hear Wendy’s answer but I bet it is a no. She is the first person, after all, who has confronted Prince about him not wanting to be an emperor for the good of the people but for himself! And that is exactly why I sat down and wrote a tribute to Bobby Axelrod at the end of Season 5.

Bobby Axelrod is a monster and he does not hesitate to reveal it. Mike Prince, on the other hand, pretends he is there to do good but he is as big a monster as Axe is. And, yeah, he even attempted to buy the White House with his billions in crypto! WTF?

Author: Damianista

Academic, Traveler, Blogger, Runner, Theatre Lover, Wine Snob, Part-time New Yorker, and Walking Damian Lewis Encyclopedia :D Procrastinated about a fan's diary on Damian Lewis for a while and the rest is history!

2 thoughts on “Will Bobby Axelrod Come Back to Billions? A Tease Here, A Hint There… *Updated with NEW Tease*”

  1. I think you may be on to something. So I’m going to believe in this possibility and get excited for season 7.

    1. When I wrote about Bobby Axelrod, I thought he’d come back only for a cameo and probably at the end of Season 7. But now that he’s teased about (what do you think about Damian’s comments on the podcast and British Grand Prix???) Bobby Axelrod TWICE in two weeks, I am thinking he may come back for more than a cameo and it would be fantastic!

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